Gnome 4 F34 Startup Anomaly

[Stephen Morris]

Hi,
    I am running Fedora in a Vmware Player VM. Having upgraded to F34
from F33, which installed Gnome 4, I have found that when I start "Gnome
in Xorg" with the VM window maximised to full screen size (3840x2161)
that it starts with the Gnome Dash open as if I had clicked on
"Activities", which did not happen in F33 and earlier versions of Fedora.
    Is this standard functionality in Gnome 4, like the removal of
extensions from tweakui into a separate application, that cannot be
changed or is there a configuration option to change that behaviour?

regards,
Steve
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[Ed Greshko]

Hi,
    I am running Fedora in a Vmware Player VM. Having upgraded to F34 from F33, which installed Gnome 4, I have found that when I start "Gnome in Xorg" with the VM window maximised to full screen size (3840x2161) that it starts with the Gnome Dash open as if I had clicked on "Activities", which did not happen in F33 and earlier versions of Fedora.
    Is this standard functionality in Gnome 4, like the removal of extensions from tweakui into a separate application, that cannot be changed or is there a configuration option to change that behaviour?

"Enjoy" reading.  :-)

https://discourse.gnome.org/t/gnome-40-login-is-to-the-activities-overview-mode-how-do-you-disable-this/5783

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[Stephen Morris]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by Stephen Morris
Hi,
    I am running Fedora in a Vmware Player VM. Having upgraded to F34
from F33, which installed Gnome 4, I have found that when I start
"Gnome in Xorg" with the VM window maximised to full screen size
(3840x2161) that it starts with the Gnome Dash open as if I had
clicked on "Activities", which did not happen in F33 and earlier
versions of Fedora.
    Is this standard functionality in Gnome 4, like the removal of
extensions from tweakui into a separate application, that cannot be
changed or is there a configuration option to change that behaviour?

"Enjoy" reading.  :-)
https://discourse.gnome.org/t/gnome-40-login-is-to-the-activities-overview-mode-how-do-you-disable-this/5783

Thanks Ed, I read that article, and like what people on this mail list
complain about, it morphed into something different to what was actually
being asked.
The basic thread from the gnome developer answer to the original
question that I took from the article, reinforces what I have read on
the net about changes in Gnome 40, which is that the developers have
implemented what they want and not what users want, and refuse to
concede that the way they have done things is not necessarily the best way.
Taking the arguments the developer is using, given they are saying that
users only go to the desktop because they want to start an application,
then if they had thought about what they were doing, they would have
started up in the mode that is shown when a user clicks on the
"applications" button which would then show all the applications
installed, not just the small subset that the user has configured as
their favourites, which is what they are doing now. From my perspective,
they only way this mode would be useful is if they allow multiple
selections and it started all selections in parallel, as for me atm, I
log into the desktop to start Thunderbird and Firefox Nightly, which
can't be done from the initial display, so I have to go to the
activities menu to run my applications anyway, which then means the
initial start mode has achieved nothing.
From my perspective, what has been done in Gnome 40 is pushing users
away from Gnome to Plasma, where that displays the way I want.

regards,
Steve
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[Ed Greshko]

From my perspective, what has been done in Gnome 40 is pushing users away from Gnome to Plasma, where that displays the way I want.

I'm not a Gnome user.  Longtime KDE/Plasma user.

But, not to worry, Plasma developers make changes that not all users agree with.  It now takes 2 clicks
to logout of a session, for example.  I adapt.

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[Stephen Morris]

Post by Ed Greshko

Post by Stephen Morris
From my perspective, what has been done in Gnome 40 is pushing users
away from Gnome to Plasma, where that displays the way I want.

I'm not a Gnome user.  Longtime KDE/Plasma user.

Now the F34 seems to have fixed the Plasma issue I had in F33, I will
probably switch back to Plasma as well.

Post by Ed Greshko
But, not to worry, Plasma developers make changes that not all users
agree with.  It now takes 2 clicks
to logout of a session, for example.  I adapt.

True, some changes are useful, like the time out for the session logout
which gives you time to change your mind if you selected the wrong
option by mistake.

regards,
Steve
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